The Arbalist Guild

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Crossbows - Everything about Building, Modding, and Using your Crossbow Gear

Latest topics

» Ball shooting Crossbows worth the bother
by c sitas Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:34 pm

» Chu Ko Nu - repeating chinese crossbow
by c sitas Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:30 am

» Skew of tiller
by drawknife Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:18 am

» tiller desgin
by crusader Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:37 am

» Want to build modern target crossbow
by ora8i Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:20 pm

» starting a 1400's replica
by tghsmith Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:25 am

» New Medieval just about finished
by Dark Factor Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:41 am

» How do I tune this
by stuckinthemud1 Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:14 am

» Plans and materials for my first build
by c sitas Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:39 am

» Bolt rest
by stuckinthemud1 Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:24 pm

» Collotiere a Charavines crossbow
by stuckinthemud1 Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:25 pm

» ash lath and pin-lock crossbow
by stuckinthemud1 Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:56 am

» Late medieval tournament distances?
by stuckinthemud1 Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:20 am

» Cutting delrin straight by hand?
by kenh Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:24 pm

» Other forums like this one?
by stuckinthemud1 Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:23 am

» new find in china, terra cotta warrior site
by tghsmith Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:42 am

» Crossbow Books
by Andy. Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:46 pm

» 95lb ancient crossbow shot faster than 960lb medieval
by Fangbows Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:36 pm

» best type of horn to use..
by kenh Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:16 pm

» re-introduction
by tghsmith Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 pm

» 4 fletch question
by 8fingers Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:14 am

» fix bolts
by MPDVM Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:40 pm

» Reverse draw compound bow build
by c sitas Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:20 pm

» New Build for 2020
by Gnome Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:19 am

» Spanning bench ideas
by stuckinthemud1 Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:07 pm


+15
mac
Zardoz
kiwijim
Rizzar
panne
Lien93
Gnome
chaz
8fingers
Ivo
Basilisk120
Todd the archer
traxxas_slash7
stoneagebowyer
ferdinand
19 posters

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Thu May 31, 2012 11:36 am

    First topic message reminder :

    First steps towards a new build. Getting the angles correct on the parts to make it all work together whas kinda tricky. But i think it worked out. Next i have to clean them up and harden te surfaces to reduce wear, any ideas how to harden them? heating to redhot and cooling in oil sufficient? i made a short movie to show how it works. MAc, thanks for the picture of the 4 axel trigger assembly, i decided to keep it a bit simpler but it is basically the same.


    Last edited by ferdinand on Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:24 am; edited 8 times in total
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:08 am

    Its actually not sideplates! I made it go al the way around the underside!
    Made a template out of paper, not the best job actually, but will do for now. One more metal plate for the top and that is finished!
    Test fitted the prod yesterday! Looking good! Needs some tinkering and binding.
    Dont worry about who finishes first, its not a race!
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:38 am

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 DSC_3834

    Okay, so i couldnt help tinkering a bit to get a overall vieuw of what the hell i'm making!

    The prod is nearly finished, didnt end up rolling the ends.... i know, a bit weak not to do it after asking so much questions to everyone! thruth is i got a little scared of serious injuries, the prod is going up to 350lbs and i've never attempted something that heavy! This thing will be armour piercing strenght! Fortunatly the string on my old bow is the exact right length. I will be making a real one out of string to use for shooting.

    Next up is the bridle part, need a saddle to mount the prod and came up with the idea to give it a lions head in the center, nice touch!

    But tell me, dont u think it looks a little bit more like Animal from the Muppets?


    Last edited by ferdinand on Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:55 am; edited 1 time in total
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:53 am

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 DSC_3832Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 DSC_3831
    avatar
    Lien93
    Fresh Blood

    Doesn't mean
    I'm new to crossbows


    Fresh Blood Doesn't meanI'm new to crossbows

    Posts : 36
    Join date : 2012-08-23

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by Lien93 Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:29 pm

    Looks good, but you might want to consider a safety strap on the prod. i got a 800lb+ prod on mine and i used some thick belt leather for a safety strap. You could say i was a bit nervous when i first drew it to full draw and managed to jam the cranequin. i got the cranequin off, but i had to take it apart under tension and accidentaly shot the ratchet bar through the door of my microwave.
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:58 pm

    Exactly my point! I plan to span it with a goatsfoot or something alike. A cranequin is a bit much for me i think, that would take me quite a while to make! Though it is temting!!
    avatar
    Rizzar
    Workshop Savvy

    Did you see my tool collection?


    Workshop SavvyDid you see my tool collection?

    Posts : 194
    Join date : 2012-08-11
    Location : Germany

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by Rizzar Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:10 am

    Hey Ferdinand, looks great so far!

    Remember calculations for draw weight was just a rough data!
    With my first prod from my own production I had a lower force output than calculated because the limb forces work in different directions.

    If you could try to measure the force it would help me with my calculations.

    Or for example, when you put the bow on the ground step with your feet inside and pull on the string near to draw you can get a clue it is in the 90-110kg range.

    Safety strap is my recommendation, too.

    p.s.: i think still it is a pity to cover this crossbow with the steel plates.

    Rizzar
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:10 am

    A little help needed before i start the bridle part!
    As u can see on the top picture were te prod is in the tiller the string rests quite heavy on the tiller. Should i increase the angle of the blade in the tiller so it drags a little at the end or slightly slong the whole stroke of the string? Excuse my english, hope u understand what i mean.
    avatar
    Rizzar
    Workshop Savvy

    Did you see my tool collection?


    Workshop SavvyDid you see my tool collection?

    Posts : 194
    Join date : 2012-08-11
    Location : Germany

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by Rizzar Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:54 am

    Hey Ferdinand.

    You should place the prod in the tiller in a position when your string is in perfect nut position at full draw so it slightly touches the tiller.

    Your prod has no string elevation, so there will always be more friction loss than with an elevated prod.

    The closer the string moves during shot to the prod, the more friction will lift the string and it will in the end look very elevated when the low tension string rests at bracing height.

    Be careful when determining the installation angle, a too big one will cause misfire.
    I wrote a topic how to determine the angle via google sketchup, but if you dont want to do it with cad you can use that methot with pen and paper, too.
    https://thearbalistguild.forumotion.com/t796-prod-installation-angle-determination-via-google-sketchup

    As for your lion head bridle wood, don´t you want to apply a stirrup or at least an iron loop?

    Rizzar
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:20 pm

    Thanks again! I was planning to mount it with a little drag at arace height but i see now what u mean by misfire, the string might hop the bolt right?! And for the saddle, i wasnt planning to make a stirrup or ring. Maybe i'll try tomake a cranequin or goatsfoot.
    Ivo
    Ivo
    Admin
    Admin

    Posts : 1041
    Join date : 2009-11-25
    Age : 33
    Location : NJ, USA

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by Ivo Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:57 pm

    This build is getting better and better, Ferdi. I was hopping around at first, but then sat down to read through thoroughly...Haha!! you actually managed to form the metal around the stock! I used the paper template too in one of my projects...eyed it out and got lucky, but when attempting to repeat it found out that luck can be quite illusive.

    Keep up the good stuff Ferdi! Very Happy

    Ivo



    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Untitled
    * *
    ~ "I don't have any special talents. I'm only passionately curious."
    * * *
    ~ "All Genius is Simple"
    * *
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:08 pm

    I am that 'one time lucky' kinda guy! Never attempt things like that twice, wont work! Haha. We ar cursed!
    Thanks for the positive reaction to the metal, gettin some mixed reactions. I am still asking myself if i really want to keep it.
    But, first things first. The bridle is next, first time so it will probably work out fine! Haha! Damn hard work i must add, damn my hand hurt after a few ours tinkering!
    Thanks for the support, i'll be back.
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:53 pm

    Question.:
    If i plan to use hemp string for the bridle wich i make wet before use so it is nice and tight when it gets dry.
    Wil it loosen when i use bee-wax afterwards to conservate the string?
    Or do i wax it first and then make the bridle and let it dry?
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:32 am

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 DSC_3840Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 DSC_3838Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 DSC_3837
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:35 am

    24 string endless loop masonry cord pre waxed with bees-wax. It gives me almost 10mm of thickness, i thought that would be enough, looks a lot like the heavy string on the original crossbow. Any thoughts on my bridle-waxing question?
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:06 am

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 DSC_3843

    I am really proud to present u with my (nearly finnished) Halbe Rustung!! Never guessed it would turn out to be this beautifull....Even if it doesnt fire a single shot or shoots like crap i am still pleased. Last thing to do is finnish the bolt guide in the front and some details on the inlayed flower on one side aswell as a little metalwork, really cant decide what to do, do i take it off? Or leave it on?

    Now to make a goatsfoot or other tool to span it cause damn, this thing has some serious power! And the bolts offcourse!!
    avatar
    chaz
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 313
    Join date : 2012-04-13
    Age : 72
    Location : Texas

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by chaz Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:43 am

    Ferdi,

    Very nice ! You have every right to be proud !

    Chaz
    ZigiMan
    ZigiMan
    Tinkerer

    If there is a will, there is a way.


    TinkererIf there is a will, there  is a way.

    Posts : 79
    Join date : 2012-12-07
    Location : Tel-Aviv, Israel

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ZigiMan Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:21 am

    Ferdi,

    You made a very beautiful crossbow!
    I hope mine will be as pretty as yours!

    ZigiMan
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:27 am

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 DSC_3865

    Made two bolts, and added the metal plate to the top. Didnt bolt down the plate as in the original 19th century repair, it just didnt look right. Maybe ill grind down some nuts to make them look old and the put them on. Forgot the arrow-clip, but i made the bolt slightly snug so they dont fall out.
    shiloh
    shiloh
    Techno Weeny

    Lets put a laser on it!!!


    Techno WeenyLets put a laser on it!!!

    Posts : 55
    Join date : 2012-12-27
    Age : 60
    Location : Chatsworth Ontario

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by shiloh Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:29 am

    Actually just read this entire thread. All I can say ferdinand, are you sure you didn`t rob a museum, that is an awesome bow!!
    Archeress
    Archeress
    Fresh Blood

    Doesn't mean
    I'm new to crossbows


    Fresh Blood Doesn't meanI'm new to crossbows

    Posts : 15
    Join date : 2013-01-26
    Location : North Carolina

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by Archeress Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:18 pm

    What an incredible work of art you've made! I am in awe. The lines on the stock are just so sleek and perfect, and I love the overlay you created on the top. I can't believe those are (former) dominos! Wow. It's absolutely stunning. You should be enormously proud of yourself.
    stoneagebowyer
    stoneagebowyer
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 490
    Join date : 2011-01-12

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by stoneagebowyer Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:50 am

    Ferdi! Nice, nice, superb work! The goat's foot lever came out so well, and is a terrfic match to your weapon. I really need to learn how to weld. It seems an essential skill.
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:41 am

    Thanks ya'll!!
    But now for the essential part, does it fire? Looks are great, i must admit being proud! But, as we Dutch say: its no use having a big willy if it dont go up! Is it for show, or .... Couple of hours and i'll know!


    Last edited by ferdinand on Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:38 pm; edited 1 time in total
    Taxus
    Taxus
    Fresh Blood

    Doesn't mean
    I'm new to crossbows


    Fresh Blood Doesn't meanI'm new to crossbows

    Posts : 40
    Join date : 2012-10-31
    Location : England

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by Taxus Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:51 am

    It's been very interesting following your build and the crossbow turned out great, the engraving and inlaying looking top notch.
    Nice work on the lever too, complimets the bow very well.
    I'll be interested to hear how your shooting went too...
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:09 pm

    Thanks Taxus!
    Yesterday i took it out and fired my first shots! It held up just fine!
    I had to twist the string one extra time to take the slack out. Nice and powerfull! I accidentaly shot to high and the broadhead pierced the steel roof plate! Glad i didnt use the bodkin head! That would have gone straight thru! Made 3 different bolts, a broadhead, bodkin and a fuerpfeil(fire bolt). But the bodkin shoots best. Made wood fletching, a bit to thick for comfort, i am looking for alternatives.
    ferdinand
    ferdinand
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!

    Posts : 301
    Join date : 2012-04-24

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by ferdinand Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:19 pm

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 DSC_3870

    Sponsored content

    Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!! - Page 4 Empty Re: Halbe rustung. Nearly finished now, next up is shooting it!!

    Post by Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:31 am