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    Post by BrianlaZouche on Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:30 am

    ok not actually a crossbow, but a very crossbow related item, = a crossbow mans pavise from the 14th century

    having spent week doing web searches untill my brain drips out my eyes, i turn to you guys in the hope you may have information/ images you can share,

    i'm hoping to construct a crossbow mans pavise suitable for mid 14th cent, all the web searches bring up 15th century ones, i know some will say whats the differance, but the very few early ones i have come across show them to me a lot more plainly deccorated than the 15thc examples,. but more importantly they do not seem to have the centeral ' gully' ie; they appear simple flat or slightly curved,

    i do not follow the line of thinking that just becasue it was used in 1480 it would have been the same 140 years earlier

    so i'd like to find as much information as i can before even attempting to make a copy of one

    any help/ info/ ideas/ thoughts would be very welcome

    but please NO 15th cent ones, as there are loads of those on the net
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    Post by Zardoz on Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:47 am

    The first post on the link below shows one from 1400 and talks about earlier ones. I hope this helps.
    http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=2711
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    Post by BrianlaZouche on Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:56 am

    cheers tyvm happy xmas Smile



    ah thats one of the many many site i have already gone through, closet is the 1st one listed as 1400, i'd still like provenace on something a little earlier tho but all ideas welcomed with thanks
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    Post by ferdinand on Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:13 pm

    i have pictures of one in the royal dutch army museum with a picture of saint george and the dragon. But it does have the 'gully' u wanted to avoid so probably u dont want it?
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    Post by mac on Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:46 pm

    Brian,

    Is is that you are looking for an extant example from the 14th C? Do you have any examples from 14thC art? I am having trouble bringing any to mind.

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    Post by BrianlaZouche on Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:10 am

    yes an extant one would be ideal. such as the Erfut ones,

    i do have only 2 illustrations from that period showing what seems to be pavises but as you can imagine not an awfull lot of detail shown on them, ( will post them/ links here when i find my files )

    Ferdinand,.... it may seem i want one without a gully, but thats not the case, what i really want to find out is what they actually looked like, if evidance of a mid 14th cent has gullys then thats great, ...what i dont want to simply ASSUME is that just because something looked like it did mid/late 15thc that they would have been the same 100- 150 years earlier
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    Post by ferdinand on Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:14 am

    This is the one from the royal dutch army museum.
    Dated 1450 to 1500.
    On it is st George, patron saint if knights, symbol of christisnity, battle, nationalism.
    And he is slaying the dragon.
    It is Bohemian in origin and in his chest is the crest of the bohemian city of Zwickau.14th Century pavise DSC_3094-114th Century pavise DSC_3093-114th Century pavise Mms_img-950260123


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    Post by ferdinand on Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:20 am

    O damn, i just realise that 1450 is mid 15th century and not 14th. Sorry....
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    Post by mac on Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:26 am

    BrianlaZouche wrote:
    i do have only 2 illustrations from that period showing what seems to be pavises but as you can imagine not an awfull lot of detail shown on them, ( will post them/ links here when i find my files )

    I look forward to seeing them.

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