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    Seen an adv. today...xbow fps?

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    Post by roonie on Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:15 am

    seen an advertisement today....

    365 fps out of a 165# xbow. Is this even possible? I dont know if its a compound or recurve but seems a bit high for the poundage?

    I know years ago with compound bows the manufacturers would brag about fps but when we would shoot them through a chrono...we would never come close to the advertised fps.

    Just wondering what manufacturers do nowadays? Is it much like the vehicle manufacturers.
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    Post by Todd the archer on Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:46 pm

    You are little behind, Middleton Crossbows is making a recurve crossbow that will shoot a 350 grain arrow @ 433 fps. There are at least 4 others that break 400 fps.
    325 to 350 is considered just average.

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    Post by roonie on Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:16 am

    Todd the archer wrote:You are little behind, Middleton Crossbows is making a recurve crossbow that will shoot a 350 grain arrow @ 433 fps. There are at least 4 others that break 400 fps.
    325 to 350 is considered just average.

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    then how is it possible that you stated you only got 205fps from that Horton prod if it was only 15lbs less in poundage of the prod mentioned above (165#) seems like a lot of difference. What ya shootin...telephone poles Todd...lol
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    Post by Geezer on Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:52 am

    "then how is it possible that you stated you only got 205fps from that
    Horton prod if it was only 15lbs less in poundage of the prod mentioned
    above (165#) seems like a lot of difference."
    Because there's prods and prods. Those made of modern materials, like carbon-fiber are lots quicker than old-fashioned materials, like wood and steel. Still some of us prefer to make them the old-fashioned way, and in fact 200 fps is quite sufficient to take game or hit the target, if you aren't too far away. Geezer.
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    Post by roonie on Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:01 pm

    so us as builders cannot get are hands on these new materials that go vvvrrooom?
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    Post by Geezer on Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:18 pm

    Yes, we can get our hands on these 'vrooom' materials. It's just that some of us don't Want to build modern 'vrooom' bows. We want to build old-fashioned 'sploink' bows. Geezer.
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    Post by roonie on Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:19 pm

    Well ...if youve ever witnessed a WT buck jump a bow string you will see why i may be considering a vvrroooom prod....lol

    who sells hi perf. vvrroooom materials for prods.
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    Post by ferdinand on Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:55 pm

    Feck, made a whole story about why i like sploink over vroommm, hit a wrong button and.... All gone!
    Here is the short version:
    My uncle bought a modern 150lbs compound bow. A real vroommm! And a toink at long range.
    My bow: 300+lbs 'medieval' bow makes a sploink, but the 350mm long 10mm bolt with hand forged long bodkin makes a WHAM!
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    Post by Todd the archer on Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:21 pm

    The Middleton crossbow I believe draws 275 pounds and most of the newer crossbows have longer powerstokes. As already mention prod material does make a difference.

    Go to the member list and send a PM to a guy called "warhammer" he can get you high performance limbs but they are two piece and you will need to make riser to mount them, also don't know how much weight your trigger can handle. But might be worth looking into.

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    Post by roonie on Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:13 pm

    ferdinand wrote:Feck, made a whole story about why i like sploink over vroommm, hit a wrong button and.... All gone!
    Here is the short version:
    My uncle bought a modern 150lbs compound bow. A real vroommm! And a toink at long range.
    My bow: 300+lbs 'medieval' bow makes a sploink, but the 350mm long 10mm bolt with hand forged long bodkin makes a WHAM!

    I have heard the argument over sploink and WHAM for many years...or weight vs speed. It really boils down to a coule things. A light fast bolt will make it to the intended target quicker than the heavy hitting heavy bolt ....but.....i believe even a light bolt will penetrate the skin and muscle and even bone at the correct distance. Personally i will take speed over weight/ energy for more than one reason. 1. with speed the archer has less guessing at distance due to flatter tradjectory. 2. If you stood at 30 paces, it dont matter what bolt you get hit with.....your gonna die and a deers chest is similar to a humans. While there is a difference in ft. lbs. of energy between the light and heavy bolts....they both will kill. Just my two cents worth though. Its all about knowing your range also. People shot deer and moose and elk with 50lb. recurves for years. Now an elephant ...thats a different story. lol
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    Post by Warhammer1 on Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:17 pm

    Roonie. I have a TAC15i with custom Middleton limbs. At only 88lbs drawweight I can get 350fps shooting a 425grain arrow. I have had all kinds of bows. If you had bought Todds dtm315 a while back I might have been able to upgrade it for you. Middleton limbs love heavy arrows.

    On another note, Todds dtm 315 had enough speed and power to harvest elk. Lose a little speed, go to a heavier arrow where momentum rules. For a 450 grain arrow a dtm315 would cough up about 20fps less. Probly reach max. KE around 500 grains or hitting approx 290fps with 500 grainer. While probly not enough for an elephant, a buff would go down easy enough.

    There is no such thing as deader than dead. Dead is well... just plain dead. If you want fast and dependable, take a look at the new recurves. I am currently testing a 245lbs limb set only 26" wide on a 10.5" draw. A 350 grain gets me well above 325. Dont post a lot here but visit at least once a week.
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    Post by Zardoz on Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:49 pm

    roonie wrote:Well ...if youve ever witnessed a WT buck jump a bow string you will see why i may be considering a vvrroooom prod....lol

    who sells hi perf. vvrroooom materials for prods.
    Gordon Composites GC-67-UB. Bingham Projects sells it.
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    Post by kenh on Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:48 am

    IMHO if a Whitetail or any animal "jumps a bowstring", then you're shooting from much too far of distances and need to hone your hunting/stalking skills. I've taken well over a hundred deer, as well as elk through the years, with everything from 40# bows to flintlocks to high-powered rifles and handguns. Never shot anything from more about 30 yards.
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    Post by roonie on Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:10 am

    here ya go......deer jumping a bowstring from 15-18 yds. I venture to guess most deer that jump a bowstring are a bit on edge to begin with. For you guys that have had this happen...just aim about 6inches low as the deer will lunge down first before they spring.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_B9yrgee5o

    the only deer that has done this was a bigger buck and on a semi heavily hunted piece of property.

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