The Arbalist Guild

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Crossbows - Everything about Building, Modding, and Using your Crossbow Gear

Latest topics

» 12th Century Chinese Crossbow Chronographed
by stuckinthemud1 Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:50 pm

» Crossbow Stock
by kenh Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:19 am

» Colletiere a Charavines continuing experiment
by stuckinthemud1 Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:36 am

» Cocking - how
by stuckinthemud1 Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:24 am

» Questions around heavy crossbow lath buildin
by stuckinthemud1 Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:10 am

» Arab Crossbow
by stuckinthemud1 Tue Apr 25, 2023 7:57 am

» prod angle, and lever trigger for sale anyone?
by stuckinthemud1 Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:54 am

» flexible string
by jasper1978 Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:25 am

» [solved]Skane/Lillohus crossbow thread
by stuckinthemud1 Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:44 am

» jens sensfelder
by jasper1978 Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:58 pm

» 400lb Windlass crossbow bolts weight and accuracy shooting high.
by stuckinthemud1 Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:53 pm

» Codex Löffelholz crossbow
by stuckinthemud1 Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:14 pm

» Digitar prodsc
by stuckinthemud1 Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:42 pm

» Troubleshooting
by Andy. Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:29 pm

» Wood Prods
by stuckinthemud1 Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:47 pm

» Colletiere a Charavines crossbow
by stuckinthemud1 Fri Dec 30, 2022 8:54 am

» Simplified Löffelhotz speedloader
by stuckinthemud1 Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:05 pm

» Fiberglass H-bows
by c sitas Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:44 am

» Bad Antler
by drawknife Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:48 am

» Anyone make their own bolts?
by Juniper Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:20 am

» Josef alm in English
by Juniper Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:22 am

» Qin/Han lock drawings
by kenh Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:16 pm

» stirrup dimensions?
by stuckinthemud1 Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:49 pm

» Skane/Lillohus lockbow information needed
by stuckinthemud1 Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:23 am

» need help contacting le musee Dauphinois Grenoble
by stuckinthemud1 Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:22 pm


4 posters

    Fletching material?

    mac
    mac
    Master Weaponsmith
    Master Weaponsmith


    Posts : 561
    Join date : 2010-12-23
    Location : Near Philly USA

    Fletching material? Empty Fletching material?

    Post by mac Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:32 am

    If the year is 1415, and you on a military campaign, what are you bolts fletched with?

    The obvious options are feathers, wood, and parchment or other thin rawhide.  Does anyone have any evidence of what was actually used then?

    Also...  Has anyone here aver fletched with parchment or wood?  If so, did you cut a mortice for the fletch, or just glue it on?

    Thanks!
    Mac
    avatar
    phuphuphnik
    Workshop Savvy

    Did you see my tool collection?


    Workshop SavvyDid you see my tool collection?


    Posts : 151
    Join date : 2013-12-02
    Location : The wastes West of Chicago

    Fletching material? Empty Re: Fletching material?

    Post by phuphuphnik Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:01 pm

    I have used wood. I used 3/32 balsa I had for model rocket fins. I carved a groove into the bolt to hold it in and white glue. They worked OK but were fragile, being balsa.
    kenh
    kenh
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!


    Posts : 883
    Join date : 2012-08-03
    Age : 75
    Location : Living Aboard a Sailboat in Fort Myers, FL

    Fletching material? Empty Re: Fletching material?

    Post by kenh Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:20 pm

    I've used wood, just glued on with Titebond 2.  Since I build musical instruments as well as wood-glass composite stickbows, I always have lots of thin to very thin wood scraps suitable for fletching.
    Geezer
    Geezer
    Master Crossbowyer
    Master Crossbowyer


    Posts : 1194
    Join date : 2010-01-12
    Age : 76
    Location : Austin, Texas, USA

    Fletching material? Empty Re: Fletching material?

    Post by Geezer Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:43 pm

    Fletching on late medieval bolts?  I've seen wood, leather and parchment.  There are also extant bolts that clearly had feather fletching at some point, but of course feathers don't last hundreds of years. 
    My friend Jim, who used to participate on this forum as 'Silly Person' made some ash bolts with thin maple vanes.  Basing his work on illustrations from Holger Richter's books, he made a jig for cutting grooves in ash dowel shafts. He built a second jig to shape wet maple vanes to the correct shape, then glued them in... I think he used Titebond III for that.  Maple vanes, with the grain the right direction, glued into ash shafts, were pretty darned strong and flew nicely, given a strong enough bow to begin with.  And they looked great!  Geezer.
    mac
    mac
    Master Weaponsmith
    Master Weaponsmith


    Posts : 561
    Join date : 2010-12-23
    Location : Near Philly USA

    Fletching material? Empty Re: Fletching material?

    Post by mac Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:33 pm

    phuphuphnik,

    How did you cut the grooves?   I am trying to avoid making one of those jigs from the Loeffelholz manuscript. 

    Fletching material? Z

    Well, to be truthful... I do want to make one, just not right now.

    Mac
    mac
    mac
    Master Weaponsmith
    Master Weaponsmith


    Posts : 561
    Join date : 2010-12-23
    Location : Near Philly USA

    Fletching material? Empty Re: Fletching material?

    Post by mac Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:34 pm

    kenh wrote:I've used wood, just glued on with Titebond 2.  Since I build musical instruments as well as wood-glass composite stickbows, I always have lots of thin to very thin wood scraps suitable for fletching.
    Have they stayed on OK?

    Mac
    mac
    mac
    Master Weaponsmith
    Master Weaponsmith


    Posts : 561
    Join date : 2010-12-23
    Location : Near Philly USA

    Fletching material? Empty Re: Fletching material?

    Post by mac Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:36 pm

    Geezer,

    What did Silly Person's jig look like? 

    Mac
    Geezer
    Geezer
    Master Crossbowyer
    Master Crossbowyer


    Posts : 1194
    Join date : 2010-01-12
    Age : 76
    Location : Austin, Texas, USA

    Fletching material? Empty Re: Fletching material?

    Post by Geezer Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:36 pm

    It was a simple template for a router, with a couple of guides on the bottom to hold the stick and a groove cut in the top for the router, (with a very thin bit) to follow.  The bending jig for vanes was two big blocks of wood, cut to the same shape.  You made some vanes outa thin maple micro-wood, smoothed and shaped the edges, then clamped them (several at a time) between the blocks.  I've gottem around the shop somewhere.  I'll see if I can get apprentice Lightly to take some photos to share.  Geezer.
    kenh
    kenh
    Crossbow Junkie

    I live here!


    Crossbow JunkieI live here!


    Posts : 883
    Join date : 2012-08-03
    Age : 75
    Location : Living Aboard a Sailboat in Fort Myers, FL

    Fletching material? Empty Re: Fletching material?

    Post by kenh Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:12 pm

    I've not had any major problems with wood fletches surface glued with TBII.  Both surfaces want a bit of roughing up for the glue to grip, though -- not shiny smooth.

    Sponsored content


    Fletching material? Empty Re: Fletching material?

    Post by Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:02 am