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    Post by stuckinthemud1 Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:04 pm

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    Evening all!  I would like to start a thread dedicated to the Skane crossbow.  I have been sent a fab set of photos from the museum at Kristianstadt  I will need to resize and which I will attempt to store here in the hope someone will try an accurate reconstruction.  It is on my to do list but I am not going to be able to get to it for a little while
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    Post by stuckinthemud1 Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:09 am

    Thanks.  I think the presence of compression wood might help explain the use of timber that most bow makers wouldn’t even look at twice.  A pair of matching crossbows is significant though.  It seems to me they’ve come from a workshop, so not a home made peasant multipurpose bow.  That would make them some kind of military issue weapon.
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    Post by kenh Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:33 pm

    If not military issue, certainly a stock item at Ye Olde Village Crosse Bowe Shoppe.

    I know the pinlock will work with at least 300# prods -- the one in my Avatar  close to that, and IIRC there is a note somewhere of a whaling harpoon crossbow.
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    Post by stuckinthemud1 Sat Mar 18, 2023 5:25 am

    True, I should swap would for could, they could have been a military bow.  So many “ifs”.  If they are Danish and if they are from mid 14th century.  I guess all we can say is a standard pattern .  No metalwork on the crossbows fits with a post Black Death period, where Denmark lost half its population including many skilled workers in metal.  Simple all wood crossbows would be necessary if you needed new crossbows and didn’t have many blacksmiths
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    Post by stuckinthemud1 Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:54 pm

    I realise the lock lever (tickler/tricker/trigger) is located in a fork type thing up front, and, I have seen a reconstruction on line that uses the pin locating in a socket on the lever with a little thread to prevent things falling apart but I can’t see that is true to the original.  Any ideas on how the original lever was mounted?
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    Post by kenh Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:31 pm

    The lever seems to be doweled to the prod at the front end.  But only "seems". 

    It could be simply wedged.  It could be that the trigger pin was attached (glued? in a socket?) to the lever.  If, by geometry,  the slightly overlong but slightly flexible  lever/pin would hold the pin at the other end with a friction fit, still allowing the pin to drop down the diameter of the string or so.  The pin could still move up and down while the forward end of the lever 'floated' in that notch.
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    Post by stuckinthemud1 Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:28 am

    I didn’t understand the floating front end but it’s actually quite ingenious .  One of the minor issues with a pin lock is the pin goes up and down but the lever travels in an arc.  This set up allows the lever to move back a tiny amount and smooth out the pin movement.  Your comments very neatly explain the shoulder and narrow bottom tip of the pin as this would locate in a hole in the lever.  The drawing suggests the possibility of such a socket.  I imagine a leather sleeve or rope loop would keep the lever closed and protect the lock when not in use
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    Post by stuckinthemud1 Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:53 am

    Additionally, securely fastening the pin to the lever stops the pin getting lost
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    Post by stuckinthemud1 Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:44 am

    From the paper Norra Åsum, Härlöv and Lillö
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    Montage of Drawings of one of the two identical wooden crossbows found in the moat when it was excavated. The crossbow is of an archaic model and is attributed in the rest of Europe to 1200 -
    14th century. The crossbow arrow, at the bottom of the picture, was on the bottom of the moat pointing,
    according to the catalog of finds, against the bailey.
    (After measurements by Sten Faste in 1941.Ekomuseum Kristianstads Vattenrike.)

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    So the close-up shows the pin is splt at its base - in effect a wedged tenon.  I also like it that the pin is "waisted" - I wonder if it would have been tallowed - the waist would create a pocket for tallow as well as reducing contact friction

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