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    Post by Henry Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:48 am

    Hi to all boys!!! Here I post and descrive my last work, i hope you like it!
    My crossbow is 400 pounds of weight. of course Cherry wood. Bone and horn decorations, the most fine decorations are made with powder of bone and glue. of course all the crossbow is hand made, and the iron parts are hand forged ( but not the bow, that is a very accurate metal work in a laboratory, for make a very durable bow) the Ring is hand forge-welded by me, and the internal clockworks and the spring are all hand forged. I use a brass nut, and a secret brass pillow for put on the top the durability and the safety of this powerfull weapon.
    Is a crossbow with a spanning belt with spillow! you can reload with no difficult and no damage for the crossbow, and in a very faster way than all the other reloading way.







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    Post by JMC Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:41 am

    veri nice crossbow ,congratulations!!

    what is the size of the stock and the bow?
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    Post by Henry Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:20 am

    It's about 90cm in the stock, and 80cm in the bow. But maybe i want to make the stock shorter, and cut it at 80cm. Or maybe I can shorten it if a buyer is interested in a shorter crossbow.
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    Post by Todd the archer Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:10 am

    Very nice work! It has a good classical look to it.



    How strong is the prod and what is the draw length?
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    Post by Henry Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:51 am

    the draw length is 32cm, and about the prod, what is it? Smile i don't know the correct termins in english! Sorry!
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    Post by Todd the archer Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:50 pm

    Sorry about that, how much force to draw the prod to 32 cm.



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    Post by Ivo Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:22 pm

    Welcome to the forum. Smile

    Very nice bow - it glows with skilled craftsmanship. Has a little bit of Ulrich V in it, no? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    All in all...There is no detail that I didn't like, it's just fantastic...and clever way to fill in the intricate pattern with bone dust and glue.

    the draw length is 32cm, and about the prod, what is it? Smile

    Prod = Bow

    Todd,

    elazzari wrote:My crossbow is 400 pounds of weight.
    He mentioned it in the very beginning...*I know, the bow is so awesome that it's possible to get lost in all the eye candy drunken Laughing *


    So, elazzari,

    Where are you originally from?

    And you say you are selling this crossbow? If so, you are more than welcome to list it in the Buy/Sell/Trade section >>>here

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    Post by Todd the archer Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:11 pm

    Thanks guys, duh I missed the weight in the beginning.



    Could you tell us what your string is made of and how many strands?



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    Post by Henry Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:13 pm

    Thanks to all! I'm from Vicenza, Veneto, Italy! near Venice.

    About strings: I have found this information in a very old document: "Crossbow-smith LAW" about crossbow in the Serenissima Repubblica di Venezia, written in old venetian language. dated 1274. (of course this crossbow is junger, because is 1475, but probably the materials are the same) I use canapa=hemp. with some beeswax, and some grease. NEVER use linen oil (the rope will broke). I use only one rope, in a very long and complex work of pattern, with 80 steps. the string become so big, but the originals are big too. You must make 0,2 steps for every pound of weight of the bow. ok? it's easy!

    About the old document, somebody need it? if i can, i publicate it there.

    Thanks about the selling information! tomorrow i will put the crossbow, the gothic quiver, four bolts, and the samson belt, in the other section.
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    Post by Ivo Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:34 am

    Thanks about the selling information! tomorrow i will put the crossbow,
    the gothic quiver, four bolts, and the samson belt, in the other
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    Great, hope it works out for you. Smile

    About the old document, somebody need it? if I can, I publicate it there.

    That would be great. What file format is it in?

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    Post by Henry Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:19 pm

    Oh, not any format, i write it there in english, but i need some time for translate it Smile Alessio Cenni is the author of the translation from old latin-venetian language! And he write about this in an article of arcosofia.
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    Post by Henry Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:50 am

    Ok guys, i hope the transation is correct:

    I. I swear on the Holy Gospel of God to say honestly what kind of horn is that the arch, if ibex or other animal. and if I know that some colleagues do not respect this oath to sue the authorities.

    II. That everyone works in good faith and without deception.

    III. It is not reparations if the old springs of the arch is broken horn. In this case, the arch should be replaced at all because there would be more reliable

    IV. From now on it is prohibited to make arches in the goat's horn except to those who have old inventory in the shop

    V. No master can repair a crossbow bastard.

    VI. If a teacher agrees to repair a crossbow itself must also add its brand, and take responsibility.

    VII. No teacher dares to equip her with a crossbow bracket keys and export

    VIII. No teacher dares to equip the crossbow with a nut that has not been the reinforcing steel in the frame below

    IX. The ribs of the arch should be curved horn with soap and water only with

    X No master teniere change the color of the wood for the crossbow before having negotiated the price with the client

    XI. Do not use crossbows for other string that is not good because of twine and hemp linen

    XII. Each teacher is required to affix his mark on the leaf produced, and on both sull'arcone teniere

    XIII. No teacher dares to tie teniere a round arch section said without setting the arc with glue and a tendon scanellum

    XIV. Let no one who is not down an arch of two or three cartons, or on the back or elsewhere, unless you have negotiated the price with the client.

    XV. It is not a teniere contracts before they are practiced pierced.

    XVI. Will be elected from among the masters of this art three supervisors to inspect each lab at least once a month and report any misconduct to occur.

    XVII. These supervisors will have to impose fines and required to report any attempt to prevent their inspection in any laboratory balestraio.

    XVIII. That no teacher dare say bad words or insults to these supervisors in the conduct of their office.

    XIX. What no one, neither Venetian nor stranger dare work of art in Venice crossbow without first registering, swear and state regulations on its own trademark.

    XX. That no teacher dares to sell to the same buyer over two crossbows, even through a straw.

    XXI. That no stranger dare you come to Venice to work for more than eight days without first registering with crossbows art and swear on the regulations.

    XXII. Those who aspire to as a Master balestraio must pay the corporation the amount of entry established.

    XXIII. No teacher dares to bring to the market to sell finished crossbows.

    XXIV. No teacher dares to work or to work by his apprentices raised arches deteriorated or chipping on the back.

    XXV. Every teacher must strive to adapt care to teniere the key, which is positioned properly for the Accommodation includes walnut.

    XXVI. That nobody will dare to work with other arts crossbows more than eight days without registering first, take an oath and pay the entry fee.

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    Post by Lightly Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:44 am

    Elazzari;


    You bow is very beautiful! I am very much hoping to ask a few questions about it..

    First how did you tie in the prod (bow)? I have been trying to find out how crossbows were traditionally tied in for a time now, and have yet to find that information, but, here you are, with yours tied in very nicely!
    I am also very interested in how you wove the leather straps over the stirrup? I tried it for the first time last week, and did not do very well. I have more questions, but will save them for later.
    I am so pleased to see your work here, and hope we see much more of it.

    Take care!

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    Post by Henry Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:54 am

    Oh, Everything is very easy, but the tie are so difficult to explain for me in Italian, in english is impossible. I need to make a video where i explain that things and send it to you. I will make this on this week. Smile Thanks about the nice words. Smile

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    Post by Lightly Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:35 pm

    Thank you, Enrico!

    Here are some photos of bows that have come out of our shop:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/swifthoundbows/collections/72157612953644930/

    And, here is a set of photos that demonstrates how Geezer taught me to tie in our bows. You will see that we use artificial sinew to cinch up the sides. It looks quite nice, and holds very well, and is distinctive. I still wish to also learn the more traditional way that you have on your bow...
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/swifthoundbows/sets/72157622267795263/

    I will eagerly wait for your photos!

    Thank you very much;;
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    Post by Henry Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:06 pm

    I make all the bow tie with a single very long rope. I use hemp, and when i finish to make the tie, i put on the hemp rabbit glue, and later some grease for protex from air water. About your works i love the horn nut! a very accurate works! where you find the horn? I want to make them! Smile
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    Post by Master Bran Padraig Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:22 am

    That is an outstanding crossbow. Great work! Thanks for sharing.
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    Post by Lightly Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:27 am

    Enrico;

    The nuts are made of moose horn, that Geezer orders online. Then, he turns them on his lathe to the correct diameter. They are very pretty, are they not?!

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    Post by Henry Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:51 pm

    They're Perfect! what diameter you use usually? In original reperts usually i found about from 30 to 40mm.

    What is Geezer? you use the crown of the horn?
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    Post by Lightly Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:54 pm

    Geezer is my Master! I am his Apprentice.. he is on this forum, and I will make sure he sees this and answers your questions. I do believe that it is near the crown of the antler...

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    Post by Geezer Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:23 pm

    Hello there: I am Geezer... Lightly is my crossbow-making apprentice. We make our 'antler' roller-nuts from Moose-horn stems, bought from Moscow Hide and Fur co. of Moscow Idaho. They have a website that's easily googled.
    American Moose stems are very hard and dense, from the attachment point on the skull, to some distance into the broader 'palm' part. If you buy a 6-8 inch stem, you should get 4-5 roller-nuts after lathe-turning. Depending on the quality of the stem, you can expect to pay 50-80 US Dollars, plus whatever they get for shipping.
    You might be able to get European moose horn in Europe, and it might work nicely, but It's my impression European Moose are a bit closer to American Elk... American moose have the very broad, spatulate horns, while European Moose horns are more elk-like. Since American Elk horns are next to useless for crossbow-nuts, I would approach European Moose-horn with caution.
    You can also use the base of Axis-stag. That's very dense, white horn, though axis-antlers are often too small. It's worth looking into anyway.
    Very nice bone-work inlay on the Germanic crossbow. Geezer
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    Post by Geezer Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:30 pm

    Geezer back again. You asked about diameter of our crossbow-nuts. We usually make them 1 &3/8 inch diameter and about 1 &1/8 inch wide. That comes out to about 35 mm. diameter.
    The smallest roller-nut I have seen was on the Padre Island bow... about 26-27 mm diameter and 25 mm wide (actual dimensions: 1&1/16 inch diameter and almost precisely 15/16 wide, (each lug 5/16 side, space between, 5/16 as well) My replica used 1 & 1/8 diameter and 1 inch wide for forstner-bitt availability and convenience of measuring.
    The largest roller-nut I have seen is on the wall-bow at the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna. I Estimated that about 2 inches wide and the same in diameter.
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    Post by Henry Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:53 am

    Thanks! Really interesting! i think to buy the horn for nut here, what you think? http://www.mehr-als-werkzeug.de/product/831060/Stag-Horn-Crown-Pieces.htm
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    Post by Lightly Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:45 am

    I am not the expert, however, those look as tho you may get but one nut, and for the cost, it might be better to go with Geezer's info above:
    Moscow Hide and Fur co.
    http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/2565.html

    With these, you can get 4 to 6 nuts out of a piece, and it may be more economical for you. If you only need one tho, perhaps the above would work? If they are hard enough.

    Good luck!

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    Post by Ivo Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:07 pm

    elazzari wrote:Ok guys, i hope the transation is correct:

    I. I swear on the Holy Gospel of God to say honestly what kind of horn is that the arch, if ibex or other animal. and if I know that some colleagues do not respect this oath to sue the authorities.

    II. That everyone works in good faith and without deception.

    III. It is not reparations if the old springs of the arch is broken horn. In this case, the arch should be replaced at all because there would be more reliable

    IV. From now on it is prohibited to make arches in the goat's horn except to those who have old inventory in the shop

    V. No master can repair a crossbow bastard.

    VI. If a teacher agrees to repair a crossbow itself must also add its brand, and take responsibility.

    VII. No teacher dares to equip her with a crossbow bracket keys and export

    VIII. No teacher dares to equip the crossbow with a nut that has not been the reinforcing steel in the frame below

    IX. The ribs of the arch should be curved horn with soap and water only with

    X No master teniere change the color of the wood for the crossbow before having negotiated the price with the client

    XI. Do not use crossbows for other string that is not good because of twine and hemp linen

    XII. Each teacher is required to affix his mark on the leaf produced, and on both sull'arcone teniere

    XIII. No teacher dares to tie teniere a round arch section said without setting the arc with glue and a tendon scanellum

    XIV. Let no one who is not down an arch of two or three cartons, or on the back or elsewhere, unless you have negotiated the price with the client.

    XV. It is not a teniere contracts before they are practiced pierced.

    XVI. Will be elected from among the masters of this art three supervisors to inspect each lab at least once a month and report any misconduct to occur.

    XVII. These supervisors will have to impose fines and required to report any attempt to prevent their inspection in any laboratory balestraio.

    XVIII. That no teacher dare say bad words or insults to these supervisors in the conduct of their office.

    XIX. What no one, neither Venetian nor stranger dare work of art in Venice crossbow without first registering, swear and state regulations on its own trademark.

    XX. That no teacher dares to sell to the same buyer over two crossbows, even through a straw.

    XXI. That no stranger dare you come to Venice to work for more than eight days without first registering with crossbows art and swear on the regulations.

    XXII. Those who aspire to as a Master balestraio must pay the corporation the amount of entry established.

    XXIII. No teacher dares to bring to the market to sell finished crossbows.

    XXIV. No teacher dares to work or to work by his apprentices raised arches deteriorated or chipping on the back.

    XXV. Every teacher must strive to adapt care to teniere the key, which is positioned properly for the Accommodation includes walnut.

    XXVI. That nobody will dare to work with other arts crossbows more than eight days without registering first, take an oath and pay the entry fee.

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    Are you saying you have an actual copy of the real "Crossbowsmth Guild" Law Book/article ?!?!

    This definitely deserves a closer look. Do you mind starting a new topic dedicated to this translation in this section? > History, Literature, Movies, Art

    I'd love to see more of it, thank you very much for sharing!!! It would be fantastic to format this translation into a PDF with old paper for every page of the document. study drunken

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    What is Geezer?

    Oh man, Geezer is David R.Watson a.k.a. Master Iolo of the New World Arbalest.

    Geezer,
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