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    Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

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    Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by juancheco on Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:19 am

    Just looking on the web, trying to find some examples to work on in my stock......i have not words for describe this.....
    Envy......pure envy and admiration...... Shocked Shocked Shocked

    www.dimovengraving.com/
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    Re: Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by Basilisk120 on Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:41 am

    That guy does impressive work and all by hand

    His knives are quite tempting.



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    Re: Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by Ivo on Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:09 pm

    Great addition Juancheco Smile

    The man does great work (try to post some pictures too next time Wink ) not only on wood, but metal too.

    I got some books on custom stocks - I was looking for general information on stock making, but ended up with much more detailed information on wood carving on stocks...can't complain though since the topic is even more fascinating through that looking glass and I just can't wait to try it myself.

    As for my metal engraving ventures... Cool

    I actually had some time with that piece...



    Not bragging here, just hoping to inspire people. Laughing

    Thanks for the link man, very inspirational!!!

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    Re: Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by Todd the archer on Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:28 pm

    Any idea on how much it would cost for the carving work done on the stocks?

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    Re: Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by Ivo on Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:19 pm

    Heh, good question Very Happy

    I found out the carvings are priced similarly to tattoos...you basically walk into a shop and say "I want one done" to be instantly met with "well, how much are you willing to spend?" Laughing

    As far as I know a 4"x5" carving of say a hunting scene(animal+bare minimum landscape+/-border) is going to run you about +/-$300 on average, but then again there are levels of craftsmanship involved too, type of tools used, etc. Like in the above links, the guy claims he actually "carves" the wood as opposed to using an air powered high speed turbine handpiece(which is faster, cleaner, and you can do much more interesting things with it considering it can be used on anything from egg shell to stainless/carbon steels).

    I have one of those air-handpieces, work with one at the lab on occasion...fantastic tool...it would almost take the fun out of the trade if not for the possibilities it presents...you'll probably ask me "Ivan, what the hell are you doing working as a dental tech and making pennies when you could be doing this?" Laughing Laughing Laughing





    So I guess - question is: Do you want to give stock carving a try? Because a proper rotary tool...hell, even a Dremel with proper bits will do a great job...and the learning curve is pretty awesome too.

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    PS: You guys want to rename this topic Wood Carving/Engraving Pictures/Ideas/Videos and we'll just flood it with woodcarving stuff we like and talk about it? I got some nice patterns I can upload if you're interested. drunken




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    Re: Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by juancheco on Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:02 pm

    I don´t know where my reply go, i wrote yesterday something like this:

    "Ivo!!! Congratulations for that work!!!!! The trigger finally become an art work!!! I still remember me viewing the Robin Allen´s videos while he´s doing a wax model for silver casting...
    Really awsome!!!! What do you use for the eyes of the rabbit?? Being looking on the web, and surprise surprise, the chissels become on little jackhammers!!! Nice tools you got out there in the States!!!!"


    Now, just view those videos, and look amazing!!!!!! And yes, it will be just fine a inner section on Wood Carving topics, i was collectong some patterns to add too!!!!
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    Re: Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by Ivo on Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:18 am

    Thanks, the trigger material I used is Nickel Chromium steel alloy and the eye is ceramic glaze mixed with red ceramic stain....I basically did it at work during lunch. Smile

    After this refresher I decided to stop by the engraving forum...and Juancheko, guess who I ran into? Very Happy

    The man himself...

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    Just looking on the web, trying to find some examples to work on in my stock......i have not words for describe this.....
    Envy......pure envy and admiration...... Shocked Shocked Shocked

    www.dimovengraving.com/

    Turns out he decorated crossbows too back in the day...and indeed it seems that it's all hand carving...which simply blows my mind.

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    dimovengraving wrote:

    >>>http://engravingcafe.com/showthread.php?t=7646

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    Re: Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by juancheco on Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:44 am

    Lucky you my man!!!!!!! Is just amazing!!!!!! I think that is high recomended try it first on a piece of wood instead the stock itself.....at least some easy drawings.....don´t want to ruin all the work I done on it....!!!!
    BTW, the man told you that is all handmade, but did´n tell you if the tools are just chissels or was that little jackhammers that I see around the web page?? Engraving men out here uses that tools to put your name on a pice of something that you buy for garnish or so..... Shocked
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    Re: Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by Ivo on Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:24 am

    I have the air powered high speed handpiece...it's a rotary tool meaning it works like a drill...only much much faster and removes material like it's butter. Used for "carving" wood and other materials. Smile



    The air graver "chisels" that work like mini impact hammers/chisels that you're talking about is actually a different tool. More expensive and is used for making straight/curved cuts like these...or in other words "engraving".





    There is also a hand pushed version called Burin which is basically a knob that rests in your palm and a cutter that you push along the surface of the metal to make the cut. It's an interesting experience, if only I had the patience. Smile



    BURIN – A hand graver. A small engraving chisel with a
    mushroom-shaped handle meant to be held and powered by the hand and arm.
    Usually used for engraving
    soft metals such as gold, silver, copper or unhardened steel.
    Arms engravers use the burin for shading and fine detail. In Italy a
    burin is known as a "bulino."
    Burin is also the French word for chisel.












    The picture at the top left shows an assortment of burins. The
    second picture shows the late Harry Kell, of London, engraving with a
    burin on a shotgun receiver held
    against a "peg." The next picture is the late George Sherwood,
    of Winchester, Oregon, engraving with a burin on work held in an
    engraver's block. The
    first picture in the second row is noted Czech engraver Lucie
    Krulíčková using a burin to engrave a copper plate from which a map of
    the world was printed.
    The last picture right can be seen Krulíčková's burin engraving
    the copper plate.


    I mean this is all high-tech stuff that isn't available to most people.
    The hand carving techniques are indeed what will be interesting. I've
    wanted a wood carving set for a long time, but still haven't acquired
    one...perhaps there is some info online showing examples of hand made
    carving tools? Gives me something to do in the morning, haha! Smile

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    Re: Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by Lightly on Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:03 am

    Ivo, I am interested in learning to carve (because, I have so much spare time!) I do have a dremel, it goes to 35000, which is not great, but might work at least to learn to carve and see if I can do it..

    Can you give advice on where to go for resources to learn? And, perhaps those patterns?!

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    Re: Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by juancheco on Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:35 am

    Light!!! I`m on the same ways.....Mos of all, my resources site is The Carving Path (www.thecarvingpath.net/forum/) There are crazy people out there.....so be carefull!!!! jocolor
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    Re: Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by juancheco on Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:46 am

    Ivo, I had not seen your publication previous to that of Lightly. The truth is that, seeing these videos, I believe that my Dremmel is not going to be useful. It would seem that the speeds are much higher. Without bearing in mind the serviceability and the necessary grip for so thin work. Excellent contribution, budy!!!!
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    Re: Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by Ivo on Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:08 am

    Hey guys!

    I'm confident that you will do great on your first attempts at carving. Demel may be a bit slow and awquard in handling, but trust me it's a great tool for some basic carving.

    As for research...first of all Juancheko...thanks for the links! Smile Very interesting forum, I got lost in it the minute I got there *in a good way* Smile Smile Smile

    I'm also a very visual person, so to add to the commotion this is how I'm researching...

    There are certain cultures famous for their skilled sculptors and woodcarvers. Since a stock is referred to as furniture on occasion, I took that statement literally and looked up who is most famous for furniture richly decorated with wood carvings. Greeks were amongs the top few that I liked the most, lots of YouTube videos showing woodcarving masters at work....I basically went into a translator and put in what I would normally write in English*say - wood carving* once I had several translations (Italian, Greek, Japanese, Chonese, Korean, Russian, Ukrainian,...and I'm adding more as I go along...) I then put these into you tube, google, etc. search...alternating the search options from Web to Images to Videos. The results were so colossal that I can't even begin to describe. I'm on the phone and don't have a computer at the moment...otherwise I'd show you some of the videos...simply fantastic. Smile

    Another thing I did was go back to the woodworking section of our forum and revisited the Woodworking books topic which has a link to an online library. There I also searched "wood carving" and came up with some interesting titles...Lightly, I bet you will like that library *if you havent seen it yet*...think it supports Kindle too (thats what you have, right? Smile ) Some books have a payload of different pattern examples.

    Again, I wish I had a computer to post some stuff...guess I'll have to wait till it's fixed(I'm the one doing the repairs, I'm still researching the fix...need to re-solder a 40 pin chip basically pale ) so that might take a while. Till then I'm sorry, I'll be a pictureless, linkless, and in every possible way discrete on the forum. Embarassed Razz

    Good luck guys,

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    Re: Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by Basilisk120 on Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:40 pm

    Would the Flex-shaft attachment [http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Attachments/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=225-01] be useful?
    It would allow you to hang the Dremel up and use a lighter more maneuverable end.
    Since I haven't used that attachment myself I'm not sure of its limitations. Still might pick one up as it looks handy to have.



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    Re: Engraving/Carving in Crossbows

    Post by juancheco on Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:44 pm

    Recently I saw this tool on this website, be a matter of trying it, but it must be pretty good at a price more than accessible (less than 40 dollars)

    http://www.megamaq.com.ar/dremel?gclid=CPXjn4Pu1KoCFUjr7Qodsi3YsQ

    Bas, I already have that flex, but it's not as comfortable as it looks. The same weight of the hose destabilizes the handling of the tool.

    Ivo, I do the same ways you do, but cames a moment that the info we could find is so much, that I forget what I was looking for!!!!!!!! jajajajajaj!!!!!

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